Language

Submitted by David R Gildea on Tue, 11/03/2008 - 11:04am.
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At the risk of being attacked for saying what I am about to say, I feel that the time has come to say it anyway.
Am I alone in this thought or are there others like me, lately whenever my wife and I go out for a drink/meal at any local bar we are assaulted verbally by the use of the "F" word, I am continually amazed at its use, almost every second word, regardless of who is within earshot, have we totally lost the art of pleasant speaking, have we totally lost respect for others ?
Don't get me wrong, I am far from being a prude and given certain conditions I can and do swear, but I always try to respect the fact that there maybe ladies present or even in some cases families, once upon a time people seemed to care but not anymore, even employees of the bars are guilty of this, time for a change, please, to be able to go out with my wife and not have to constantly listen too and sometimes complain about, at the risk of getting into a fight, foul language, would be nice.
Not so long ago one of our Bars did not allow foul language but change of ownership seemed to create change of attitude, has the pusuit of profit negated decency ?

David R Gildea

Submitted by snowydreads on Tue, 11/03/2008 - 6:00pm
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I agree with you David. I recently ate dinner at a local restaurant and spent the entire meal listening to a large group of people swearing and using crude language. It is inappropriate to use that kind of language in a public setting at the top of your voice. I think it's ok for language to deteriorate as the night goes on and things get rowdier, but not at meals or where kids may be present. I have asked servers to address the problem in a couple of instances. Some people just don't realise their behaviour is offensive.

Submitted by snoboardr on Tue, 11/03/2008 - 6:21pm
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I agree too, more or less. One of the most surreal experiences of my early life (early 20s anyway) was meeting a group of friends in an art gallery cafe in York England. They were all 50+ "ladies" and I interrupted them during a conversation into the history and esoterics of the use of the F-word. It was quite enlightening.

I personally think the F-word has been downgraded a *lot* these days and that might be the problem; a lot of "out of towners" probably just hear it all the time, say it all the time and in a lot of towns/cities it's really no more an issue than saying hello. Yet come to Fernie or other places and it's suddenly something quite unheard of in public.

All that said, I do agree 100% with David, it's about situation and social responsibility. It shouldn't be up to us to decide whether a kid hears swear words or words that society deems are generally inappropriate for "non-adult" consumption.

So, have some blooming respect for the other people around you and quit it with the F-word if you're in a public area where there are kids present. You only end up making yourself look slightly socially inept.

Submitted by V on Tue, 11/03/2008 - 7:29pm
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I agree too David. But, I am also a mom, in my 30's, so I am conscientious about how I speak and what language I use.

Is it just that as we age, what we find acceptable language and behaviour changes?

When I was a teenager and in my early 20's, I remember not really giving a....

ok. I won't go there.

Submitted by shine on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 9:59am
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Maybe they should have a foul language section as well as a smoking section in bars....Im sure most people with any social dignity would not like to sit in such a section!...I think it would make funny footage on you tube for a couple of minutes anyway.

Submitted by powwow on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 10:02am
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are you fuc--- for real shine????

Submitted by Britgirl on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 1:07pm
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shine wrote:
Maybe they should have a foul language section as well as a smoking section in bars....Im sure most people with any social dignity would not like to sit in such a section!...I think it would make funny footage on you tube for a couple of minutes anyway.

Hey why stop there!, lets have a different room/section for Ugly people or Overweight people, or people with funny hair colours, or facial piercings..... oh and please don't forget Tattooed people!
Come on Shine!

David is so right, i am in my 30s now and swear more than i should, but when i was in my teens and 20s i rarely swore.
For some reason these days swearing is as common as putting your socks on in a morning, i don't know whether it is actually lack of respect from the young uns, or just the fact that everyone else is doing it!
Either way there is a time and place for such language to be used and it is certainly not in a family restaurant or grocery store etc!
I think at some point in our lives though, we have to accept that the world is changing, peoples attitudes and values are changing, and i doubt very much that any of us can alter things back to how they were when we were younger, which is a shame as i'm sure the world would be a better place if we could!

Submitted by shine on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 2:04pm
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Hi Britgirl.....I think you missed the point. It was suppossed to be humourous!!
Have a great afternoon & serously go skiing.

Submitted by Britgirl on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 2:18pm
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shine wrote:
Hi Britgirl.....I think you missed the point. It was suppossed to be humourous!!
Have a great afternoon & serously go skiing.

Yeah i actually got the 'Humour', was just trying it myself, obviously didn't come across that way! well as they some say Shit happens!.......ooops sorry i didn't mean to swear!

Oh and i'm not really into skiing, i'm the ugly, overweight, pierced, tattooed, foul mouthed smoker who you would find in all sections of the bar!! lol
Have a great day yourself! Eye-wink

Submitted by Britgirl on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 9:28pm
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We all understand that foul language is wrong, but you have to remember it is only wrong because we are told it is wrong!
After all it is only a 4 letter word, it only becomes offensive when a person becomes offensive.
Look back in history, a twat is actually 'a hat', but in modern days it isn't.
There are a lot of people in this town who do not have 'respect' for other people, there is no need for foul language around the general public!
But that being said when i go into 'a bar/pub' i kinda expect to hear it, but certainly not outside a school, library, grocery store or in the street!

Submitted by alba on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 11:45pm
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I agree with Britgirl, who gets to chose what is right and wrong? Personally I dislike text language worse than swearing! I get where David is coming from though, if you are sitting right behind the really loud person in the bar who can't finish a sentence without swearing everything third or fourth word, it can start to grate a bit after a while. What other words get so much use in normal conversation? Like, it would like, drive you crazy, like, if someone kept like, saying "like" all the time, like wouldn't it? Eh?

I have noticed that swearing is something that people do when they don't speak a language well. Maybe it's a nervous thing, or maybe they are just overcompensating, but swearwords are often close to the first words that people learn in a foreign language. If you are struggling with english as a second language but you know a few universal swearwords, it's easy to throw them if you're struggling for the right word. In a town that attracts so many "english as a second language" speakers, it's inevitable that the language will get trashed a bit.

Thanks for bringing up the subject though David, it wouldn't hurt any of us to try and be a little more literate in our speech and not always use the easy option! (Me included)